[ietf-dkim] draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-02 review
hsantos at isdg.net
Wed Sep 1 15:40:14 PDT 2010
Maybe way to reduce the rhetoric is to hmmmmm, huh, maybe following
the engineering molded into the WG RFC draft standards and to correct
the non-WG created DKIM Deployment RFC by not allowing it to suggest
implementators can break the WG RFC draft standards?
That might help.
Michael Thomas wrote:
> On 09/01/2010 02:49 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>>> If your goal is to have MLM developers rewrite their perfectly working
>>> code to work around the fundamental flaws in ADSP - a protocol nobody
>>> other than bulk mailers is interested in, and which in any even
>>> marginally sane deployment would never interact with mailing lists at
>>> all - I think you're going to be disappointed.
> "No Mr. Bond, I want you to die".
>> Setting aside ADSP for a second, I think there are still some people that would like to see MLMs preserve author signatures for the purposes of reputation evaluation.
> The implicit argument being made amongst the more vocal set here is that
> since mailing lists coexisted with cavemen and dinosaurs, that their very
> antiquity puts them beyond the scope of evolution. That if it wasn't
> intelligently designed in o those 5000 years ago, that they have no
> responsibility for the current internet's trials and tribulations.
> The fact of the matter is that mailing lists survival or extinction
> is utterly irrelevant to the internet at large; if we did harm to them,
> nobody using the internet at large would care. Hence all of this hand
> wringing about whether mailing list developers or operators will
> petulantly stamp their feet and take their marbles home presumes they
> have power they do not actually hold.
> This draft shouldn't be starting from the perspective of what reactionary
> old fogies will or won't do. It should be starting from the perspective
> of what's right for email as it's actually used today. If what's right
> is that unsigned mail should become a pariah -- which I suspect is the
> right thing -- then all of the howls of indignation should just be ignored.
> And as is always the case, the whiners will figure something out if the,
> uh, laser is positioned correctly.
> NOTE WELL: This list operates according to
Hector Santos, CTO
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