[ietf-dkim] General Feedback loop using DKIM

[Bill.Oxley at cox.com]

Perhaps I am confused as to the perceived complexity of an FBL
ISP needs an address of thisisSpam at isp.com<mailto:thisisSpam at isp.com>
user aligns the ThisISSpam setting in the MUA to the above address
ISP scans the purported sender header and forwards message to abuse at otherISP.com<mailto:abuse at otherISP.com>
which can either work or round file the item

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From: ietf-dkim-bounces at mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-bounces at mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Franck Martin
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:23 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: ietf-dkim at mipassoc.org
Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] General Feedback loop using DKIM

list-unsubscribe: header is a free field and often contains a url rather than an email address:

List-Unsubscribe: <http://mipassoc.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-dkim>,
        <mailto:ietf-dkim-request at mipassoc.org?subject=unsubscribe>

This could be a candidate, but would need may be some more specifics and codified in an RFC. I'm not sure it is today. I cannot recall exactly to have seen it codified in any RFC.

Only very large ISPs are offering FBL programs, and often they sub-contract the program to a third party. Could technology make it simpler for smaller ISPs and organisations with a non trivial amount of mailboxes?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <ops.lists at gmail.com>
To: "Franck Martin" <franck at genius.com>
Cc: ietf-dkim at mipassoc.org
Sent: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009 11:49:23 AM GMT +12:00 New Zealand
Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] General Feedback loop using DKIM

As Steve says the list-unsubscribe header works about as well as what
you are suggesting .. if an ISP actually decides they want to
implement this across the board and trust any list unsubscribe header
that comes their way.  Which is not particularly recommended.

You typically contact an ISP out of band to apply for an FBL and
whitelisting.  And there is some crosschecking done before the FBL is
set up.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Franck Martin <franck at genius.com> wrote:
> I'm curious to see if the feedback loop mechanism could be extended using
> DKIM. The concept may have many issues, but I want to see if it is a stupid
> idea, or if it would have some merit.
>
> The system would be for the sender to include in the dkim mechanism an
> FBL-email: header wich would tell the receiving mail system where to send an
> ARF email if the recipient hit the spam button.
>
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