[ietf-dkim] Re: Discussing what someone said about SSP - productive?

[Steve Atkins]

On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:

> Steve Atkins wrote:
>> On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:
>>>
>
>   It sure isn't obvious to me, and I'm afraid that I'm at the end
>   of the road here as I can't figure out what set of axioms that  
> either
>   you or Dave are operating from for that not be true. From the looks
>   of it, that set of axioms leads to "SSP == bad", so I again wonder
>   why you're wasting your time, unless it is to prevent SSP from being
>   published.

I like DKIM.

Publishing a bad (harmful or overly complex or with no actual benefit
or...) protocol tied closely to DKIM would be bad for DKIM
deployment.

So... I either want SSP to not be bad, or for it to not be published,
or (worst case) for it not to be widely deployed.

I'd prefer the former. If things continue as they are I'm likely to
get the latter, so if I wanted that, I could just step away from the
abuse now[1] and let y'all get on with it.

I'd rather take yet another attempt at getting people to look at the
fundamental flaws in it, and see if they can be reduced. Previous
attempts to do that haven't worked, leading to the bad protocol we
have now, but I remain optimistic that at least some of the less verbose
folks in the WG are open to such concerns.

Cheers,
   Steve

[1] If you think the on-list stuff is bad, you should see the off-list
screaming and shouting and ranting and threats. One of my
favorites reminded me of early 90s era usenet kooks:

"I have all the moral mission and incentive to publish articles
and testimonies on blogs, the news rags, technical journals, EFF
and especially the FCC regarding my security concerns with DKIM
and FCC, on how BIG COMPANIES and DMA members are going
to damage the network for the rest of the world."