[ietf-dkim] Review of draft-fenton-dkim-threats-01
ekr at networkresonance.com
Sun Oct 30 01:05:40 PDT 2005
Mark Delany <MarkD+dkim at yahoo-inc.com> writes:
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 11:57:29AM -0700, Eric Rescorla allegedly wrote:
>> >>>We seem to be suffering from trying to hit a moving target.
>> >> Hmm... Maybe, but I think my comments are in line with comments
>> >> I've made previously. It's possible that my comments don't
>> >> agree with Russ's, of course.
>> > That's seems to be the genesis. Hence my comments to the ietf list
>> > a couple of months ago. What would you have us do since this seems
>> > to be a meta argument between you and our AD?
>> A meta-argument? Are you saying that you think that Russ would like
>> you NOT to do the analysis I suggested? I'd be quite surprised to hear
> So what? That an AD doesn't preclude your analysis doesn't give it any
> positive value. It simply means that ADs are inclusive, as they should
> be. It certainly doesn't make your analysis a pre-requisite of
> anything, does it?
Of course not. But equally, it doesn't mean that it's a bad idea
to do it.
> What you need to show is why your analysis warrants special merit. For
> at least two reasons.
> First off, every man and his dog has a perspective in this space, why
> is your perspective so special compared to the 100s of others
> participating here?
> Second off, we've been given very specific instructions that maximize
> WG formation and those instructions are orthogonal to your
> analysis. Why should we focus on your analysis to the detriment of
> energy expended on WG formation?
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. The reason you
should consider these issues isn't that they're my opinion or that I
have some authority to make you do so, but rather that (IMHO) the
issues are worth considering. Since I explained the issues in a fair
amount of detail, I figure people can make their own assessment on
this point. Now, of course, you may have a different opinion about the
importance of these issues, but just asserting that you (even for
large values of you) disagree isn't much of an argument.
> As a final note, your analysis seems very late in the day. We are no
> more than a week or so away from the BOF, yet the derived I-Ds are
> already on their second iteration and the whole premise was first
> raised in IETF60 around a year and a half ago. To question
> fundamentals now, seems unfairly late in the game.
Huh? I raised these issues at the first MASS BOF and again at the
DKIM BOF in Paris. It's hardly my fault that they've never been
addressed adequately. That said, I don't see what fair has to
do with it. Either DKIM will do something useful or it won't,
and that's independent of the time when the question of its usefulness
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