[feedback-report] misc comments (on draft-shafranovich-feedback-report-00(pre I-D))

[Yakov Shafranovich]

(Sorry for the delay, I had a lot on my plate this week)

Matthew Elvey wrote:
> On 4/29/05 3:41 PM, Yakov Shafranovich sent forth electrons to convey:
>> Matthew Elvey wrote:
>>> =-=-=
>>> Big picture issues:
>>> One issue I see with this draft is that it's impossible to send such 
>>> reports without specialized tools; normal MUAs can't send this mime 
>>> type.
>>> Is that a feature or a bug?  Another issue is that it implies that a 
>>> reporter must craft a separate email for each reportee.
>>>
>>
>> Both are features:
>> 1st issue - its intended for ISP to ISP communications primarly (i.e. 
>> their abuse systems and things like AOL's scomp).
>> 2nd issue - this format is intended to cover the use case of one 
>> report/message. Summaries and aggregate formats will follow as a 
>> separate standard. ISP feedback affected both of these points.
>>
>> Regarding the first point once more, I would really really really like 
>> to write a Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail extension to generate these 
>> reports but don't have the time to do so.
> 

(someone is actually working on this)

> 
> If it's for ISP-ISP communications, why an extension?    And if a major 
> user will be end-users, changes to address the above two issues seem 
> doable.

The second part will contain a set of metadata headers which would need 
to be defined. That's is why I choose to extend RFC 3462.

> There used to be many abuse@ addresses that don't accept, or discard all 
> attachments.  That may have changed; I haven't sent anything other than 
> plain text in to abuse-handling addresses in years.  Actually, I do have 
> one recent data point.  I did send email to spamhaus, and because I 
> wanted to show a chart, I sent a mail in dual text/html format;  the 
> recipient slogged through the plain text version.)  I guess if you've 
> spoken to a bunch of ISPs (both reputable and not-so-reputable ones), 
> and they're all ok receiving attachments, then I've no objection.
> 

The ISPs I have spoken to were fine with this.

> 
> 
> 
> Yakov, let me know if my assumption that that 
> draft-shafranovich-abuse-report-00 has been replaced by 
> draft-shafranovich-feedback-report-00 is wrong.
> 

This assumption is correct.

Yakov